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Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by cesar.rodriguez.blanco Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:27 pm

I thought that in B, "which" always must refer to the previous name, that is Nixon, and for this reason it would be incorrect. But in fact, OA is B.
Can any instructor explain?

Although she had been known as an effective legislator first in the Texas Senate and later in the United States House of Representatives, not until Barbara Jordan’s participation in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon in 1974 was she made a nationally recognized figure, as it was televised nationwide.
A. later in the United States House of Representatives, not until Barbara Jordan’s participation in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon in
1974 was she made a nationally recognized figure, as it was
B. later in the United States House of Representatives, Barbara Jordan did not become a nationally recognized figure until 1974, when she participated in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon, which were
C. later in the Untied States House of Representatives, it was not until 1974 that Barbara Jordan became a nationally recognized figure, with her participation in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon, which was
D. then also later in the United States House of Representatives, not until 1974 did Barbara Jordan become a nationally recognized figure, as she participated in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon, being
E. then also later in the United States House of Representatives, Barbara Jordan did not become a nationally recognized figure until 1974, when she participated in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon, which was
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by chuckberry007 Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:25 am

If i am not wrong, which here modify its the "impeachment of President Richard Nixon", because is a possessive noun.
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by cesar.rodriguez.blanco Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:39 am

I think that you are wrong.
Which here is modifying "hearings".....and for this reason I suppose that B is correct
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by RonPurewal Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:34 am

cesar.rodriguez.blanco Wrote:I think that you are wrong.
Which here is modifying "hearings".....and for this reason I suppose that B is correct


yes.

here is a detailed post on exactly when you can do that:
post31162.html#p31162
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by william.romeo Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:22 am

For this one, IMO,
Since 'hearings' is plural, so we can eliminate A(was), C(was) and E(was)
Then we read B&D, and D is awkward in saying 'then also later', so, got B
I reckon this method is pretty fast^^
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by RonPurewal Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:31 am

william.romeo Wrote:For this one, IMO,
Since 'hearings' is plural, so we can eliminate A(was), C(was) and E(was)
Then we read B&D, and D is awkward in saying 'then also later', so, got B
I reckon this method is pretty fast^^


correct on (c) and (e); incorrect on (a).
(a) is a backward construction; the subject of "was" is "she", which comes afterward.

the easiest way to detect backward constructions is not directly, but, rather, just by figuring out that the noun(s) that precede the verb cannot be the subject.
here are four really simple examples (all are correct):
1) there is a car in the driveway.
2) there are two cars in the driveway.

here, there's nothing in front of the verb that could even be considered as a subject -- the only word in front of the verb is "there", which is neither a noun nor a pronoun. therefore, the subject is "car"/"cars".
3) on the table was a cell phone.
4) on the table were two cell phones.[/i]
here, "on the table" is a prepositional phrase, and so is ineligible to be the subject. therefore, the subject again must follow the verb (since nothing in front of the verb is left to be considered), and so the subject here is "cell phone(s)".

choice (a), although it contains other errors, is another one of these backward constructions.
"participation", "impeachment", and "nixon" are all trapped in prepositional phrases, so none of those can be the subject. therefore, the subject must be "she".
i.e., "was she..." = verb + subject.
it probably looks awkward to you if you aren't a native speaker of english (although this construction should be plenty familiar to anyone who *is* a native speaker of english), but you should know that it's legitimate.
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by thanghnvn Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:48 am

Pls, help

in A, "she" can not refer to " Barbara Jordan’s" .

Is that thing right?

Why B is wrong?
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by tim Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:06 pm

yes, you are right that "she" cannot refer to "Barbara Jordan's", as a subjective pronoun cannot refer to a possessive noun..

as for your second question, i cannot explain why B is wrong. it is pretty clear from the discussion that B is the correct answer, so i'm a little baffled as to why you are asking why it is wrong..
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by brparajuli Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:41 pm

Sorry to open up an old thread, but how do we know "was/were" at the end is referring to "hearings" and not "the impeachment?"

Impeachment can be televised, can it not?

Thanks,
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by jlucero Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:42 pm

brparajuli Wrote:Sorry to open up an old thread, but how do we know "was/were" at the end is referring to "hearings" and not "the impeachment?"

Impeachment can be televised, can it not?

Thanks,
BC


Possibly, but you want to think less about logic and more about sentence structure:

She participated in the hearings (on the impeachment) (of President Richard Nixon), which were televised nationwide.

Impeachment is part of a prepositional phrase. If you want to use the relative pronoun "which", you should be describing the main noun in the noun phrase UNLESS it is completely obvious that you are talking about something else.

She participated in the [hearings on the impeachment], which were long hearings. (ok)

She participated in the hearings on the impeachment of [President Richard Nixon], who was an American president. (ok- who has to refer to a person)

She participated in the hearings on the [impeachment], which was the first impeachment. (not so great)
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by brparajuli Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:19 am

Thank you Joe!

That makes sense.
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by jlucero Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:42 pm

No problem!
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by jyothi h Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:45 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
william.romeo Wrote:For this one, IMO,
Since 'hearings' is plural, so we can eliminate A(was), C(was) and E(was)
Then we read B&D, and D is awkward in saying 'then also later', so, got B
I reckon this method is pretty fast^^


correct on (c) and (e); incorrect on (a).
(a) is a backward construction; the subject of "was" is "she", which comes afterward.

the easiest way to detect backward constructions is not directly, but, rather, just by figuring out that the noun(s) that precede the verb cannot be the subject.
here are four really simple examples (all are correct):
1) there is a car in the driveway.
2) there are two cars in the driveway.

here, there's nothing in front of the verb that could even be considered as a subject -- the only word in front of the verb is "there", which is neither a noun nor a pronoun. therefore, the subject is "car"/"cars".
3) on the table was a cell phone.
4) on the table were two cell phones.[/i]
here, "on the table" is a prepositional phrase, and so is ineligible to be the subject. therefore, the subject again must follow the verb (since nothing in front of the verb is left to be considered), and so the subject here is "cell phone(s)".

choice (a), although it contains other errors, is another one of these backward constructions.
"participation", "impeachment", and "nixon" are all trapped in prepositional phrases, so none of those can be the subject. therefore, the subject must be "she".
i.e., "was she..." = verb + subject.
it probably looks awkward to you if you aren't a native speaker of english (although this construction should be plenty familiar to anyone who *is* a native speaker of english), but you should know that it's legitimate.



Hi Ron,

I got the backward construction analogies you have explained above. But I am not very clear on it's application to option A and to rule out option A based on this logic.
Do you mean , the "IT" in "A" ( as it was televisioned worldwide) , cannot refer to participation , hearings , or impreachment ? and hence incorrect ?

I know you have tried to be quiet elaborate in your explanation , but I still have a little difficulty in correlating it with the option A.
Would help if you can throw some more light on it.

Thanks
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by tim Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:28 pm

the whole point of Ron's discussion of backward constructions was to point out that the verb is "was" and the noun is "she". it sounds like you may be anticipating additional implications, but that's all there is to what Ron said..
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Re: Although she had been known as an effective legislator

by wangyinwei_2005 Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:51 pm

C. later in the Untied States House of Representatives, it was not until 1974 that Barbara Jordan became a nationally recognized figure, with her participation in the hearings on the impeachment of President Richard Nixon, which was

Hi, Dear Instructors:
I was wondering the meaning the usage of 'with her participation...' in Option C. Is this modifier wrong here?
In my opinion, "with her participation..." can modify Barbara jordan and have the meaning: [because of her participation in the hearings, barbara jordan became a nationally recognized figure]
Am I right on this point?
please clarify, thank you~