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Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by luojing_1990 Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:25 am

61. Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect patients by reducing the grueling hours worked by medical residents, twelve hospitals have been investigated by state medical officials, finding that all twelve consistently break the laws, many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work more than 95 hours a week.

A. twelve hospitals have been investigated by state medical officials, finding that all twelve consistently break the laws, many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work
B. an investigation by state medical officials of twelve hospitals have found all twelve consistently breaking the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, with more than half the surgical residents working
C. an investigation of twelve hospitals by state medical officials has found that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work
D. twelve hospitals were investigated by state medical officials who found all twelve breaking the laws, with many residents working longer than 24 hours straight, and more than half the surgical residents work
E. an investigation by state medical officials has found that, of twelve hospitals, all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, with more than half the surgical residents working

I know the right answer is C.
But I have a question.
"that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work "
I think "many residents work longer than 24 hours" and "more than half the surgical residents work..." should not be parallel to the "break the laws".
I think these two parts are the content of "break law", namly how the twelve break the laws.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by avinashchaturvedi05 Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:20 pm

I initially thought that C would be correct,but then how can an investigation find something on its own?

Will someone from Manhattan please help :)
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by avinashchaturvedi05 Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:11 am

hey luojing_1990,
what is the source of this problem.The source has to be cited if we are to get a reply.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by Willy Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:06 pm

avinashchaturvedi05 Wrote:I initially thought that C would be correct,but then how can an investigation find something on its own?

Will someone from Manhattan please help :)


Choice C is clearly saying that --> an investigation of twelve hospitals by state medical officials has found

I hope you get it?

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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by Willy Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:14 pm

luojing_1990 Wrote:61. Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect patients by reducing the grueling hours worked by medical residents, twelve hospitals have been investigated by state medical officials, finding that all twelve consistently break the laws, many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work more than 95 hours a week.

A. twelve hospitals have been investigated by state medical officials, finding that all twelve consistently break the laws, many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work
B. an investigation by state medical officials of twelve hospitals have found all twelve consistently breaking the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, with more than half the surgical residents working
C. an investigation of twelve hospitals by state medical officials has found that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work
D. twelve hospitals were investigated by state medical officials who found all twelve breaking the laws, with many residents working longer than 24 hours straight, and more than half the surgical residents work
E. an investigation by state medical officials has found that, of twelve hospitals, all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, with more than half the surgical residents working

I know the right answer is C.
But I have a question.
"that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work "
I think "many residents work longer than 24 hours" and "more than half the surgical residents work..." should not be parallel to the "break the laws".
I think these two parts are the content of "break law", namly how the twelve break the laws.


I think in sentence C meaning is not asking us HOW twelve hospitals are breaking the laws. If meaning would have been such then I believe your concerns would have been valid but here meaning is asking what investigation has found, so we need to make all these parallel.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by jnelson0612 Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:13 pm

willigetmylifeback Wrote:
luojing_1990 Wrote:61. Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect patients by reducing the grueling hours worked by medical residents, twelve hospitals have been investigated by state medical officials, finding that all twelve consistently break the laws, many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work more than 95 hours a week.

A. twelve hospitals have been investigated by state medical officials, finding that all twelve consistently break the laws, many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work
B. an investigation by state medical officials of twelve hospitals have found all twelve consistently breaking the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, with more than half the surgical residents working
C. an investigation of twelve hospitals by state medical officials has found that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work
D. twelve hospitals were investigated by state medical officials who found all twelve breaking the laws, with many residents working longer than 24 hours straight, and more than half the surgical residents work
E. an investigation by state medical officials has found that, of twelve hospitals, all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, with more than half the surgical residents working

I know the right answer is C.
But I have a question.
"that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work "
I think "many residents work longer than 24 hours" and "more than half the surgical residents work..." should not be parallel to the "break the laws".
I think these two parts are the content of "break law", namly how the twelve break the laws.


I think in sentence C meaning is not asking us HOW twelve hospitals are breaking the laws. If meaning would have been such then I believe your concerns would have been valid but here meaning is asking what investigation has found, so we need to make all these parallel.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Correct! An investigation has found THAT X, THAT Y, and THAT Z.

By the way, original poster, please provide an original source for this question.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by bodhisattwabiswas Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:08 pm

sorry for digging up the thread...
the OA says --- "an investigation of twelve hospitals by state medical officials has found that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work"
my question is -- if the tense of the verb before 'that' is past or present perfect (i.e. 'found' or 'has found'), then can we use simple present tense after 'that' (i.e. 'break' and 'work')?

[I don't want to challenge the OA, just want know the rule]
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by RonPurewal Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:41 am

bodhisattwabiswas Wrote:sorry for digging up the thread...
the OA says --- "an investigation of twelve hospitals by state medical officials has found that all twelve consistently break the laws, that many residents work longer than 24 hours straight, and that more than half the surgical residents work"
my question is -- if the tense of the verb before 'that' is past or present perfect (i.e. 'found' or 'has found'), then can we use simple present tense after 'that' (i.e. 'break' and 'work')?


"A study has found that..." can be put in front of ANY tense, as long as the resulting meaning makes sense.

A study has found that most of the world's languages will go extinct in the next 100 years.

A study has found that the dinosaurs once dominated the earth.

A study has found that the human body excretes surplus calories on a ketogenic diet, rather than storing them as fat.


Etc.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by bodhisattwabiswas Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:30 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:"A study has found that..." can be put in front of ANY tense, as long as the resulting meaning makes sense.

thanks for the explanation...I thought 'find'/'found' act like 'say'/'said' in cases of direct and indirect speeches...thanks
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by RonPurewal Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:51 am

I don't know what "direct and indirect speeches" are.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by bodhisattwabiswas Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:15 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:I don't know what "direct and indirect speeches" are.

I meant say/said by direct and indirect speeches;
such as: <He said, "Roy go to school every day''> ---> <He said that Roy went to school every day.>
I meant that initially I thought the clause after 'found' behave like that after 'said'.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by RonPurewal Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:09 am

bodhisattwabiswas Wrote:
RonPurewal Wrote:I don't know what "direct and indirect speeches" are.

I meant say/said by direct and indirect speeches;
such as: <He said, "Roy go to school every day''> ---> <He said that Roy went to school every day.>
I meant that initially I thought the clause after 'found' behave like that after 'said'.


Ok, but I don't see what is special about the "speech" aspect here. You can decide the tenses of these things in exactly the same ways you'd decide other tenses.

(By the way, it's "Roy goes to school".)
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by akash85 Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:41 am

Hi Team,
Could you pls help me clear this doubt.

Is Option (A) incorrect on the following 2 accounts ?
1. Modifier "Almost a decade after ....by medical residents" should be modifying "investigation" & not "twelve hospitals"

2. Modifier "finding that all twelve consistently...." seems to be modifying "twelve hospitals" instead of "investigation"

And Is Option (D) incorrect because
1. Parallel elements contain a "breaking" (a participle) & work (a verb)

Please advise me whether my reasoning is incorrect here. Thanks.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by RonPurewal Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:33 am

akash85 Wrote:Hi Team,
Could you pls help me clear this doubt.

Is Option (A) incorrect on the following 2 accounts ?
1. Modifier "Almost a decade after ....by medical residents" should be modifying "investigation" & not "twelve hospitals"


No, this part is fine. Initial phrases describing timeframes always describe actions, not nouns, so it's immaterial which noun follows them.
E.g., In 1993, I graduated from high school.
This sentence is fine. (It certainly does not imply that I have no existence outside of the year 1993.)

In fact, just look at this:
In 1993, _____
I don't think a noun even could make sense here. It's pretty clear that you're describing an entire action/clause. Something had to have happened in 1993.
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Re: Almost a decade after New York State passed laws to protect

by RonPurewal Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:35 am

2. Modifier "finding that all twelve consistently...." seems to be modifying "twelve hospitals" instead of "investigation"


This, on the other hand, is a valid objection.