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Bossy verb and command subjunctive

by karuneshk_ec Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:58 pm

Manhattan sentence correction page 123 , chapter 7 question 15

New regulations require that every cyclist in the tour De France has to be tested for performance enhancing substance.

Here "require" is followed by that and hence the correct format should be command subjunctive (be tested) .
But what if we replace 'require' with "advise" , that only takes the infinitive form .

In this case how would the sentence read ?
Really confused please help.
Thanks in advance
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Re: Bossy verb and command subjunctive

by RonPurewal Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:12 pm

karuneshk_ec Wrote:Manhattan sentence correction page 123 , chapter 7 question 15

New regulations require that every cyclist in the tour De France has to be tested for performance enhancing substance.

Here "require" is followed by that and hence the correct format should be command subjunctive (be tested) .
But what if we replace 'require' with "advise" , that only takes the infinitive form .

In this case how would the sentence read ?
Really confused please help.
Thanks in advance


this is a non-issue -- you couldn't make that substitution in the first place, for two reasons.
first, "regulations" are rules -- basically, the legal code of the sport of cycling. clearly, rules can't "advise" people to do things or not to do them; they can just declare what is and isn't allowed.
second, it's not possible to combine "advise" with "has to be...", since those ideas contradict each other. i.e., if something is a requirement, then stating the requirement does not constitute "advice".
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Re: Bossy verb and command subjunctive

by shaikmazhar078 Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:37 pm

Hello Experts,

That GMAT club grammar book clearly says that "advise" is a command subjunctive verb and should be followed by THAT + Verb in bare form (many other grammar websites have voted the same)

Eg: Everyone is advised that they be here on time.

But the Manhattan SC Guide clearly says that Advised is followed by an infinitive.

Can you please clear this doubt of mine and tell me the exact construction to be used for "Advise"
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Re: Bossy verb and command subjunctive

by RonPurewal Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:20 am

shaikmazhar078 Wrote:Eg: Everyone is advised that they be here on time.


Wrong.

There are several different ways in which "advise" can be used, but that isn't one of them.

Here are a few that immediately come to mind:

1/
With "to + verb"
Everyone has been advised to come early.

2/
Advise + (person given advice) + "to + verb"
I advised John to come early.

3/
Advise + (general course of action)
When Jenny drove, her parents advised caution.

4/
Advise against + (course of action)
Most financial experts advise against making large purchases with credit cards.

5/
Advise + (person) + that + (some situation)
The defense attorney advised the judge that her client was mentally ill.


There may be more, but that's what I can think of at the moment.