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comparison problem

by yangfan0307 Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:24 am

Hello:

My question is related to OG verbal 2nd version 85

Company X are offering benefit A and benefit B for 100 monkeys, about as many as are registered in the program of Company Y.

the explanation: "monkeys are the understood subject of are registered"
My question is :
1: can we omit subject? According to the Manhattan SC (Guide 8), we normally omit objects, prepositions, and even clauses, but not subject. right? By reading Manhattan SC page 147, as...as idioms. We have 10 apples, about as many as we picked yesterday. here apples are the objects which can be omitted. Right?

2: Is it a run-on sentence? Since it use comma to connect two main clauses? same issue with manhattan sc page 147.

3: "About" here is an adv? can we omit "about" in this sentence?
same issue with manhattan sc page 147.

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Re: comparison problem

by RonPurewal Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:13 pm

yangfan0307 Wrote:1: can we omit subject? According to the Manhattan SC (Guide 8), we normally omit objects, prepositions, and even clauses, but not subject. right? By reading Manhattan SC page 147, as...as idioms. We have 10 apples, about as many as we picked yesterday. here apples are the objects which can be omitted. Right?


It's not a good idea to think of comparisons in terms of "omitting" things.
This whole "omission" idea implies that it's possible to write out a longer version of the same comparison (i.e., without the "omissions").
In most cases, though, that's not possible. Comparisons generally don't "omit" words; they just contain the parts that are actually being compared.

E.g.,
More New Yorkers walk than drive to work.
This is a correctly written comparison. Nothing is "omitted"; it's impossible to write this comparison with more words (unless the entire sentence is restructured).

If the point of the comparison is to compare two different actions done by the same subject(s), then the sentence generally doesn't (and usually can't) repeat the subject.
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Re: comparison problem

by RonPurewal Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:14 pm

2: Is it a run-on sentence? Since it use comma to connect two main clauses? same issue with manhattan sc page 147.


"Is the official correct answer wrong?"

No.
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Re: comparison problem

by RonPurewal Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:16 pm

3: "About" here is an adv? can we omit "about" in this sentence?
same issue with manhattan sc page 147.



"About", as used here, means "approximately".
If you take it out, the sentence is still grammatically sound, but it means something different"”now you're saying that the two numbers are exactly the same, rather than just approximately the same.
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Re: comparison problem

by YangyangY857 Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:44 pm

Hi, Ron
In this sentence, "as many as are registered in company Y" , I think, is wrong .
Delete "are" much better ,that is , "as many as registered in company Y" used to modify "monkeys"
Or in this sentence two verbs are extant.
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Re: comparison problem

by RonPurewal Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:58 am

YangyangY857 Wrote:Hi, Ron
In this sentence, "as many as are registered in company Y" , I think, is wrong .
Delete "are" much better ,that is , "as many as registered in company Y" used to modify "monkeys"
Or in this sentence two verbs are extant.
Thanks


First—the official answers are not wrong. They're just not.

"Registered" isn't a verb here; it's an -ed modifier/adjective.

"Are registered", here, works in the same way as "are present".