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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by Tadashi Mon May 19, 2014 6:04 am

may I ask some question about this problem?

my question no.1
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Correct. If you want to use "for X", X must be a noun (prep phrase). So you can use a gerund here, but nothing that shows action.

I have an iPod for running.
I have an iPod to listen to music.
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sorry i can't see much differences in these 2 sentences.
I know "for x" x must be a noun.
Would someone please to tell me what's the differences between "a plan for sth." & "a plan to do sth."

May i say "a plan for protecting wild animals"?

My question no.2

D (revised)
The NEAR spacecraft will orbit the asteroid Eros for a year, slowly moving closer to the surface of the object with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever.(full stop).

will this revised version be correct?
IMO, it's ok at lease in grammar.

please correct me if i am wrong.


ARIGATO,
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Mon May 19, 2014 4:57 pm

"A plan for ___" means, essentially, a strategy: a specific plan for how to accomplish ___.
"A plan to VERB" just means that someone is planning to VERB"”no indication of exactly how, unless that is specified later.

E.g.,

I have plans for getting food in Las Vegas.
"”> I know how/where I'm going to get the food while I'm there. (Maybe my friends there will feed me, or I have a particular store or restaurant in mind.)

I'm planning to get food in Las Vegas.
"”> I'm planning to acquire food while I am in Vegas. I may or may not have any idea exactly how or where I'm going to get it.

May i say "a plan for protecting wild animals"?


Depends on the context.
"- If the reference is to a specific strategy for protecting the animals, then yes.
"- If the reference is purely to an intention, then no.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Mon May 19, 2014 5:03 pm

Tadashi Wrote:D (revised)
The NEAR spacecraft will orbit the asteroid Eros for a year, slowly moving closer to the surface of the object with the purpose of making more precise measurements than ever.(full stop).


The only issue I can see here is that "more precise measurements than ever" is ambiguous:
"- A larger number of precise measurements?
"- Measurements that are more precise?

Other than that, this version is fine.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Mon May 19, 2014 5:05 pm

Much more importantly...
Don't edit GMAC's sentences.
Really. Don't waste your time.

"- Editing and/or creating sentences is an irrelevant skill set. On the GMAT, you only need to identify what is correct and what is incorrect.

"- More importantly: When random users try to "edit" GMAC sentences, their versions are almost always incorrect for reasons the GMAT doesn't test.
The GMAT only tests a few percent of the things that can go wrong with English sentences. So, in these cases, we're forced to give awkward responses like "No, that's wrong, but you don't need to worry about why."

Your hands should be full enough with the answer choices actually provided.

It's a good idea to make your own sentences to illustrate individual principles. However, those should be sentences that you make up yourself, from scratch.
Also, unlike GMAC's sentences (which combine lots of different issues into a single problem), your own examples should strictly illustrate one issue at a time.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by Tadashi Wed May 21, 2014 11:36 pm

Thanks for your explanation for the differences between "plan to do" & "plan for doing"


Thanks for your advise. I just want to dig deeper.
I noticed a sentence on today's NYT.

Russia will invest $55 billion in infrastructure for transporting the gas to China, said Alexei B. Miller, the chief executive officer of Gazprom.

I know "for doing" here actually describe the purpose of Russia's investing in infrastructure.

Russia will invest $55 billion in infrastructure to transport the gas to China.

IMO, I don't think this revised sentence makes sense.
My reasons:
the revised sentence incorrectly conveys the idea that it's Russia, a country, transports the gas to China.
Instead, it's the infrastructure that transports the gas to China.

Want to apply what i've just learned from you to analyzing the new sentence.

Need your confirmation.
Thanks a lot.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by Tadashi Thu May 22, 2014 7:06 am

allow me to add a another question.
You wrote: "A plan for ___" means, essentially, a strategy: a specific plan for how to accomplish ___.

However, you said in the video (2012.Feb Thursday with Ron) that "A plan for ___" means, "for ___" is the purpose of the plan.


Do the 2 viewpoints conflict?

Please shed some light.
Thanks in advance.
Tadashi.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Mon May 26, 2014 11:34 am

Tadashi Wrote:Thanks for your explanation for the differences between "plan to do" & "plan for doing"


Thanks for your advise. I just want to dig deeper.
I noticed a sentence on today's NYT.

Russia will invest $55 billion in infrastructure for transporting the gas to China, said Alexei B. Miller, the chief executive officer of Gazprom.

I know "for doing" here actually describe the purpose of Russia's investing in infrastructure.


In this context, "for transporting xxxx" just modifies "infrastructure", not the investment.

Russia will invest $55 billion in infrastructure to transport the gas to China.

IMO, I don't think this revised sentence makes sense.
My reasons:
the revised sentence incorrectly conveys the idea that it's Russia, a country, transports the gas to China.
Instead, it's the infrastructure that transports the gas to China.



Yes.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by Tadashi Tue May 27, 2014 3:14 am

Thanks Ron,
Your confirmation does help me a lot.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Fri May 30, 2014 1:16 am

Excellent.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by gmatkiller_24 Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:48 pm

Hi, Ron

is verb tense an issue here?


i think it is a little bit more complicated to use progressive tense here in choice B & E → scientists are hoping?
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:29 am

1131570003 Wrote:Hi, Ron

is verb tense an issue here?


i think it is a little bit more complicated to use progressive tense here in choice B & E → scientists are hoping?


not a significant difference.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by NicoleT643 Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:09 am

Hi Ron, sorry to reopen this thread, I have an observations regarding to the "scientists hope"
I realized that in OG12 #118, [redacted]
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by RonPurewal Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:46 am

the answer to your question is yes, but, please realize that it's against the rules to discuss OG problems here (regardless of whether the problem text is explicitly cited). thanks.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by hondah621 Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:45 am

I just don't understand in "c" except for the diffences between infinite and gerund,
this sentence is meaning or correct? the sides of "and " is parallel?
"the NEAR spacecraft will orbit..., and scientists hope that "
thanks.
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Re: NEAR SPACECRAFT-KINDLY HELP!!

by Sage Pearce-Higgins Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:35 am

I can see two problems in answer C. However, they are both meaning problems.

The idiom 'for making' is correct in some contexts, such as in the sentence 'This is a machine for making pasta.' But in this sentence we want the idiom 'to make' as we're talking about an aim or target. Think up some examples yourself to make this clear (not 'for making this clear'!).

You're right, that the 'and' construction is parallel in C. However, the 'and' construction suggests that the two events are just unrelated facts. The meaning of the sentence is that the measurements will help scientists understand the origins of the universe.