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Omitted Words

by miteshsholay Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:52 am

Source : MGMAT SC Guide Page 129 . 4th Edition.

MGMAT says : I walk faster than Brian.
Meaning : I walk faster than Brian [walks].

MGMAT says : I walk as fast now as when I was younger.
Meaning : I walk as fast now as [I walked] when I was younger.

As far as I know, we can omit words only if they are exactly the same in the second part of the sentence.

For ex: I corrected some mistakes, and he others.
Meaning : I corrected some mistakes, and he [corrected] others.

My Take 1 : I walk faster than Brian does.
My Take 2 : I walk as fast now as I did when I was younger.

Somebody please explain whether I am right or wrong.
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Re: Omitted Words

by rakesh.id Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:54 am

Good Question! I would also like to hear an expert's response to that.
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Re: Omitted Words

by Willy Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:51 pm

miteshsholay Wrote:Source : MGMAT SC Guide Page 129 . 4th Edition.

MGMAT says : I walk faster than Brian.
Meaning : I walk faster than Brian [walks].

MGMAT says : I walk as fast now as when I was younger.
Meaning : I walk as fast now as [I walked] when I was younger.

As far as I know, we can omit words only if they are exactly the same in the second part of the sentence.

For ex: I corrected some mistakes, and he others.
Meaning : I corrected some mistakes, and he [corrected] others.

My Take 1 : I walk faster than Brian does.
My Take 2 : I walk as fast now as I did when I was younger.

Somebody please explain whether I am right or wrong.


Your Take1 and Take2 are equally valid and are along the line what MGMAT guide says.

Lets see what is happening in the examples -

I walk faster than Brian.

Here you can't say "Walk" after Brian as it would create S-V disagreement. i.e. "Brian Walk" is wrong so we need "Walks" here.

In other example -

I walk as fast now as when I was younger.

We've to use (I) "Walked" here because we are comparing with Past. In case we used "Walk" it will create Tense issue in the sentence.

Your another example with "corrected mistakes" is right because in sentence both "I" and "He" CORRECTED the mistakes at same time period so no TENSE (or S-V) issue here.
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Re: Omitted Words

by jlucero Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:53 am

willigetmylifeback Wrote:
miteshsholay Wrote:Source : MGMAT SC Guide Page 129 . 4th Edition.

MGMAT says : I walk faster than Brian.
Meaning : I walk faster than Brian [walks].

MGMAT says : I walk as fast now as when I was younger.
Meaning : I walk as fast now as [I walked] when I was younger.

As far as I know, we can omit words only if they are exactly the same in the second part of the sentence.

For ex: I corrected some mistakes, and he others.
Meaning : I corrected some mistakes, and he [corrected] others.

My Take 1 : I walk faster than Brian does.
My Take 2 : I walk as fast now as I did when I was younger.

Somebody please explain whether I am right or wrong.


Your Take1 and Take2 are equally valid and are along the line what MGMAT guide says.

Lets see what is happening in the examples -

I walk faster than Brian.

Here you can't say "Walk" after Brian as it would create S-V disagreement. i.e. "Brian Walk" is wrong so we need "Walks" here.

In other example -

I walk as fast now as when I was younger.

We've to use (I) "Walked" here because we are comparing with Past. In case we used "Walk" it will create Tense issue in the sentence.

Your another example with "corrected mistakes" is right because in sentence both "I" and "He" CORRECTED the mistakes at same time period so no TENSE (or S-V) issue here.


Be careful Willy- those first two examples are both correct and are examples from our SC Guide. Even if you wouldn't use the exact same verb twice, it is understood that the verb that would be replaced would need to agree with the subject in number.
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Re: Omitted Words

by jlucero Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:04 pm

miteshsholay Wrote:As far as I know, we can omit words only if they are exactly the same in the second part of the sentence.


Yes, but only if those words that you omit can logically fit into the sentence and do not create confusion or ambiguity.

miteshsholay Wrote:For ex: I corrected some mistakes, and he others.
Meaning : I corrected some mistakes, and he [corrected] others.


This wouldn't work because your second half of the sentence says "he others." This is non-sensical, because you are joining a subject and object without a verb in between. I also wouldn't write the sentence:

I am ten years younger than my brother and he is eight [years younger than] our sister.

miteshsholay Wrote:My Take 1 : I walk faster than Brian does.
My Take 2 : I walk as fast now as I did when I was younger.

Somebody please explain whether I am right or wrong.


This is fine too.

I walk faster than Brian.
I walk faster than Brian walks.
I walk faster than Brian does.

All perfectly acceptable.
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Re: Omitted Words

by miteshsholay Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:06 am

Pardon me for reviving this old thread.
jlucero Wrote:
miteshsholay Wrote:For ex: I corrected some mistakes, and he others.
Meaning : I corrected some mistakes, and he [corrected] others.


This wouldn't work because your second half of the sentence says "he others." This is non-sensical, because you are joining a subject and object without a verb in between.

Here is an answer to the practice set of Comparisons in SC Guide:
A leopard cannot catch a wildebeest as fast as it can a cheetah.

Here also it can is followed by an object a cheetah.
Can is not the main verb here.

So if I apply the same logic to my example it becomes :

I can correct some mistakes, and he can others.

I will say this sentence when I am talking about possibilities. Hence I will use the word can.
But if the event of correcting mistakes has already happened, I will say:

I corrected some mistakes, and he others.

Is this really grammatically wrong?
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Re: Omitted Words

by jlucero Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:11 pm

miteshsholay Wrote:Pardon me for reviving this old thread.
jlucero Wrote:
miteshsholay Wrote:For ex: I corrected some mistakes, and he others.
Meaning : I corrected some mistakes, and he [corrected] others.


This wouldn't work because your second half of the sentence says "he others." This is non-sensical, because you are joining a subject and object without a verb in between.

Here is an answer to the practice set of Comparisons in SC Guide:
A leopard cannot catch a wildebeest as fast as it can a cheetah.

Here also it can is followed by an object a cheetah.
Can is not the main verb here.

So if I apply the same logic to my example it becomes :

I can correct some mistakes, and he can others.

I will say this sentence when I am talking about possibilities. Hence I will use the word can.
But if the event of correcting mistakes has already happened, I will say:

I corrected some mistakes, and he others.

Is this really grammatically wrong?


Yes. As I wrote, there is no verb in this sentence. The example you gave includes a helper verb, which adds clarity to the sentence. Since can has to be a helper verb, you logically must go and look for the verb that is omitted and place it into the context of the sentence. With "he others", there's no verb at all, which gives us no clue as to what the phrase refers back to. You could just as logically say "he corrects others" as you could "I correct he others".

It's the same reason why you can get away with leaving a possessive in a comparison, because it must be referring to something else. Same thing with the helper verb here.
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Re: Omitted Words

by miteshsholay Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:35 pm

Wow. Thanks Joe. I get the gist now. :-)
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Re: Omitted Words

by jlucero Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:48 pm

Glad you got it.
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Re: Omitted Words

by AZ679 Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:22 am

Manhattan SC, 5th Edition, Page 129,

"Right: I walk as fast now as [I walked] when I was younger."

My question:
1. Is it possible to place now before the first as:

I walk now as fast as when I was younger

2. Would that be imprecise (i.e., changing the meaning) to put now before walk? Or is it okay?

I now walk as fast as when I was younger ...
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Re: Omitted Words

by RonPurewal Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:17 am

the most important thing i can say here is this:
such issues (word order, etc) are mostly stylistic, and so will not be tested on this exam.

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in the sentence you've given here, the part after "than" is just "when i was younger" (a timeframe). so, for an optimal comparison structure, "now" should directly precede "than when i was younger".
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Re: Omitted Words

by RonPurewal Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:18 am

and, going forward, if you have a question about material in the strategy guides, please post in in the appropriate folder (= the MGMAT non-CAT verbal folder). thank you.