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Pronoun Issues

by stevefeiner5 Wed May 19, 2010 4:27 pm

In Japan, a government advisory committee called for the breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, the largest telephone company in the world, so it would be two local phone companies and one long-distance provider.

A. In Japan, a government advisory committee called for the breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, the largest telephone company in the world, so it would be
B. The breakup of the world's largest telephone company, Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, was called for by a government advisory committee in Japan, so it would be
C. A government advisory committee in Japan called for the breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, the world's largest telephone company, into
D. The breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, the world's largest telephone company, was called for by a government advisory committee in Japan, so it would be
E. Called for by a government advisory committee, the breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company in Japan, the world's largest telephone company, was to be into



Question taking from the GMATprep, I was able to deduce the answer but a lot of reasons were awkward or possible pronoun ambiguity and wanted some concrete reasons for the answers.

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by tim Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:55 pm

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by babbar.gauravstar Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:50 am

D. The breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, the world's largest telephone company,

Is this construction correct? Mu doubt is whether 'the world's largest telephone company' is referring to breakup or Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company?

Please explain.

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by RonPurewal Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:46 am

babbar.gauravstar Wrote:D. The breakup of Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company, the world's largest telephone company,

Is this construction correct? Mu doubt is whether 'the world's largest telephone company' is referring to breakup or Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company?

Please explain.

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that particular construction should be ok, yes. that is an example of an "appositive modifier" -- a modifier that consists of a noun or noun phrase immediately following a comma.
such appositive modifiers usually modify the immediately preceding noun, although there are notable exceptions when the appositive noun itself is an abstract noun.
see here:
post35386.html#p35386

however, the appositive in this case is definitely not abstract ("the world's largest telephone company" is certainly a concrete thing), so it can certainly be taken to refer to the immediately preceding noun. in fact, that's the preferred usage.

that choice has other issues, though ("so it would be" has a confusingly ambiguous pronoun and also doesn't make sense in terms of verb tense).
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by rx_11 Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:00 am

Dear MGMAT instructors,

I have no idea why ABDE is wrong in this question. Can you explain it?

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by tim Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:51 am

In ABD, "so" is used as a coordinating conjunction, joining two independent clauses. However, the second half of the sentence is clearly dependent on the first half, so a conjunction of this type is inappropriate. As for E, there is a problem with the word "be", but the more obvious problem is that it sounds like Japan is the world's largest telephone company..
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by hiphopdidi7623 Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:59 am

In choice A, is the pronoun "it" ambigious?
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by RonPurewal Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:29 am

hiphopdidi7623 Wrote:In choice A, is the pronoun "it" ambigious?

technically yes, but, that sort of pronoun ambiguity is not a criterion on which you can eliminate; there are many, many officially correct sentences with technically ambiguous pronouns like that one.

read more here:
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by nnayar Mon May 30, 2011 5:44 pm

Sorry for bumping an old thread-

IN this questions- choices B, D and E have a passive construction- is that not a valid reason to cross them off as incorrect?
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by messi10 Tue May 31, 2011 1:40 am

Hi nnayar,

Do not cross off answer choices based on that criteria alone. Passive choices are not always wrong and even preferred at times.

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by jnelson0612 Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:31 am

varun_783 Wrote:Hi nnayar,

Do not cross off answer choices based on that criteria alone. Passive choices are not always wrong and even preferred at times.

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Indeed. As I recall, Ron analyzed this issue by looking at the OG and found that passive construction was correct about as often as active construction, usually because many answer choices with passive construction otherwise contain the correct grammar.
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by biswarup.roychowdhury Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:54 am

Hi

Can anyone pls let know whether a,b,d & e all are wrong because 'it' is used to refer plural 'two local phone companies and one long-distance provider'.
In place of 'it' we should say 'there would be two local phone companies and one long-distance provider. '

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by RonPurewal Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:01 am

biswarup.roychowdhury Wrote:Hi

Can anyone pls let know whether a,b,d & e all are wrong because 'it' is used to refer plural 'two local phone companies and one long-distance provider'.


"it" actually refers to "Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company" in these instances, although these constructions are still wrong because they don't convey the right meaning.
the intended meaning is that the Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company would be broken up into these entities, so the presence of the word "into" is important.

In place of 'it' we should say 'there would be two local phone companies and one long-distance provider."


this is not much better; it still fails to convey the meaning that these entities were actually going to be created by the breakup of the Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company.
if the wording is just "there would be ...", it seems to suggest that the Nippon company would simply be disbanded, and that these entities would arise on their own to take its place -- or that these entities already existed, and would be the only remaining companies in the field after the Nippon company was disbanded.
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Re: Pronoun Issues

by jp.jprasanna Thu May 10, 2012 1:10 am

RonPurewal Wrote:
biswarup.roychowdhury Wrote:Hi

Can anyone pls let know whether a,b,d & e all are wrong because 'it' is used to refer plural 'two local phone companies and one long-distance provider'.


"it" actually refers to "Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company" in these instances, although these constructions are still wrong because they don't convey the right meaning.
the intended meaning is that the Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company would be broken up into these entities, so the presence of the word "into" is important.

In place of 'it' we should say 'there would be two local phone companies and one long-distance provider."


this is not much better; it still fails to convey the meaning that these entities were actually going to be created by the breakup of the Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company.
if the wording is just "there would be ...", it seems to suggest that the Nippon company would simply be disbanded, and that these entities would arise on their own to take its place -- or that these entities already existed, and would be the only remaining companies in the field after the Nippon company was disbanded.


hi -

I see Why E is wrong also I understand the correct answer

But in A , B and D

IT is not very ambiguous as "it" here has to refer to "Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company" from the context.
Also apart from the reason that is mentioned above by Ron is there any other reason(s) to eliminate A,B and D?

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Re: Pronoun Issues

by RonPurewal Sun May 20, 2012 3:43 am

jp.jprasanna Wrote:IT is not very ambiguous as "it" here has to refer to "Nippon Telephone and Telegraph Company" from the context.
Also apart from the reason that is mentioned above by Ron is there any other reason(s) to eliminate A,B and D?

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jp, read that post again. the problem isn't pronoun ambiguity; it's that the meaning generated by that pronoun is nonsense.
it's impossible for one company to be two companies; the sentence must say that one company is going to be broken into two companies (or that two companies are going to be created from one company, etc.)