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Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by rdjaye Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:56 am

Hello,

For the idiom "Require that X be Y" do X and Y need to be parallel?

I found this idiom online and the examples they provided were:
Correct: The new regulations require that prospective employees be subjected to rigorous screening.
Incorrect: The new regulations require prospective employees to be subjected to rigorous screening.

I ask because we usually use X and Y notation to suggest that things should be parallel. Thanks for the clarification!
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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by RonPurewal Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:41 am

You don't need parallelism; usually, "be" is followed by some sort of description.
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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by RonPurewal Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:41 am

Where'd you find these examples? The one marked "incorrect" is not incorrect; both are fine.

I.e., if you're talking about an action that someone must perform, then it's totally fine (and quite common) to write require (person) to + verb.

The "be" form is only necessary if you're talking about the conditions imposed upon a thing that has to be made/done/completed/etc. (i.e., NOT the person who's doing it).
E.g., We require that all five answer choices be posted, even if only one is the subject of the post.
You wouldn't write "require all five answer choices to be posted", because the answer choices are not people performing an action.
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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by rdjaye Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:02 am

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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by RonPurewal Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:03 am

Hmm.

Well, I guess it's time to trust that source a little less from now on.
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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by DeveshT899 Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:53 pm

To me, the second choice seems incorrect (as mentioned in the source), simply because 'what is being required is a clause, and not just a Noun. In cases where what is being required is just a noun, we don't need the word "that", but where it's a clause, we need to use "that"

In second sentence: The new regulations require prospective employees to be subjected to rigorous screening -- New regulations don't require just prospective employees, but require them to do something (which is a clause), hence demands the use of "that"

Pls correct me if I am wrong in my understanding!

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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:15 am

DeveshT899 Wrote:To me, the second choice seems incorrect (as mentioned in the source), simply because 'what is being required is a clause, and not just a Noun. In cases where what is being required is just a noun, we don't need the word "that", but where it's a clause, we need to use "that"

In second sentence: The new regulations require prospective employees to be subjected to rigorous screening -- New regulations don't require just prospective employees, but require them to do something (which is a clause), hence demands the use of "that"

Pls correct me if I am wrong in my understanding!

Thanks,


the second one is exactly the same construction as your own words, highlighted in green. both are ok.
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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by aflaamM589 Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:06 am

RonPurewal Wrote:You don't need parallelism; usually, "be" is followed by some sort of description.


Require that X be Y
Is it correct because of idiom or subjunctive construction?

Thanks : )
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Re: Require that X be Y Idiom - need to be parallel?

by RonPurewal Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:54 am

i don't understand what you are asking (and, moreover, i don't know the terminology you're asking about).

still—if something is correct, then everything about it has to be correct!