ron /stacey kindly explain this doubt

[aditya8062]

91. Advocates of global warming awareness believe that the early warning signs of climate change may include more frequent heat waves, flooding in low-lying and coastal areas, increasing the temperature of the oceans, and melting polar ice caps.

A: increasing the temperature of the oceans, and melting
B: increasing temperatures of the oceans, and melting
C: increasing the temperature of the oceans, and the melting of
D: increases in ocean temperature, and the melting of
E: increases in the temperature of the oceans, and melting among

source : veritas perp ,page :118 (correct ans :d)
my doubt :there is a rule in sc manhattan that complex gerund phrases can be parallel to only complex gerund phrases or action noun and also complex gerund phrases can never be parallel to simple gerund phrases and to concrete nouns .
but as per this question " the melting of polar icecaps " is (as per my understanding ) a complex gerund phrase ,where as "heat waves ' is a concrete noun .also "flooding in low lying and costal area " is a simple gerund phrase .so isint this sentence flouting the parallelism or am i missing some thing ?
also plz clarify if "increases " in the correct answer choice is action noun or not ?
plz restate the above mentioned rule (which i have read from manhattan book) if in case i have misunderstood the rule
thanks

[tim]

you're reading too much into this one. the main thing to look at is that all the items that are parallel are "things". identify the answer choices that have all "things" parallel, and then eliminate based on other mistakes that show up in the wrong answer choices..

[aditya8062]

can ron plz help me in this doubt . i had posted this qusetion long time back but the i didnt find the replly satisfactory
sorry for bothering u so much but a help from ron will be great
thanks and regards

[Willy]

I am not Ron or Stacey but would like to give it a shot with my limited knowledge.

Concrete Noun

You experience what concrete nouns name through your five senses: sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch. If you cannot see, hear, taste, touch, or smell something, it is not a concrete noun.

Can you smell or touch 'heat waves'? I think NO, so I believe 'heat waves' is action noun. Same way (though I am not sure) I think 'flooding in low lying and coastal area' is acting as action noun -- Flooding - is action noun.

For more on this topic, you can see this topic simple-gerund-phrase-vs-complex-gerund-phrase-t17317.html

[aditya8062]

@willy i think u need to check simple gerunds from manhattan book .i feel ur reasoning is wrong for "flooding in low lying area .."
also plz check in that book that simple gerunds can never be parallel to complex gerund !! (thats happening in correct option D )



@manhattan i am not sure if willey's answering in the middle makes the real instructor (RON ) feel that the post is closed so he might not respond to my above post .for that reason i am posting again and my doubt is still open

[Willy]

@willy i think u need to check simple gerunds from manhattan book .i feel ur reasoning is wrong for "flooding in low lying area .."
also plz check in that book that simple gerunds can never be parallel to complex gerund !! (thats happening in correct option D )


@manhattan i am not sure if willey's answering in the middle makes the real instructor (RON ) feel that the post is closed so he might not respond to my above post .for that reason i am posting again and my doubt is still open

Yes, I know that we can't make simple gerund phrases parallel to complex gerund phrases.

but I still think

'flooding in low lying and coastal area' is an action.

same way

'increases in ocean temperature' is an action

so, option D is correct.

BTW, we can discuss this till the time MGMAT team responds and this won't deter the team from responding. So, don't worry about that.

[aditya8062]

"flooding in low lying area ..." is a simple gerund and i will demostrate as why it is ....
the simple gerund is one which can act as both "noun " and as a "verb" (read the defination in manhattan book )
sent 1 : the stored water was flooding in low lying area (here it acts like a verb )

sent 2 floding in low lying area is something that city authorities should control (here it acts like a noun )

[Willy]

"flooding in low lying area ..." is a simple gerund and i will demostrate as why it is ....
the simple gerund is one which can act as both "noun " and as a "verb" (read the defination in manhattan book )
sent 1 : the stored water was flooding in low lying area (here it acts like a verb )

sent 2 floding in low lying area is something that city authorities should control (here it acts like a noun )

I agree 'Flooding' is gerund and is acting as Noun. What if we break sentence as follows,

'flooding' - we know it is gerund and acting as Noun.

'in low lying and coastal area' - acting as modifier to 'flooding', i.e. where it is flooding.

will I be wrong in interpreting the above?

[tim]

you're not going to get any help from me, Ron, or any other instructor until you identify what was inadequate in my initial explanation. it looks like you are spending a lot of time worrying about noun subclasses that are not really relevant on the GMAT..

[aditya8062]

you're not going to get any help from me, Ron, or any other instructor until you identify what was inadequate in my initial explanation. it looks like you are spending a lot of time worrying about noun subclasses that are not really relevant on the GMAT..

well in your previous explaination u had said that only thing that u look here is that all mentioned stuff are so called "things" .
does is answer my doubt ? honestly no because i had asked how can a simple gerund (that i had mentioned in my that post ) be parallel to complex gerund

just to tell u i am not reading too much into it .i have been following what ur manhattan book talks abt .
plz let me know if there are any exception to this rule or plz tell me when to follow and not follow this rule ....i do read lot of RON and honestly i appreciate the way he talks abt better paralllism ,finner parallism etc .now the issue is if i had to pick one choice out of all then probably i wud go with D but my contention was not that .i wanted to understand how this question is not flouting the basic tenets of simple and complex gerund

ps :tim i am sorry if my post or my questioning again has offended u .i hold manhattan and its people in high respect

[tim]

i'm not offended at all, and i appreciate that you've let us know what you found lacking in my previous explanation. please understand though that the only reason you found that explanation lacking was because you don't seem willing to let go of these distinctions that are not really relevant. my advice remains the same - ignore what our book says about different types of gerunds, because the time you waste on that could be better spent on something more productive (i.e. something the GMAT actually cares about testing). instead just ask yourself if you've got two "things", and you'll be fine in almost any conceivable situation involving noun parallelism. i'm Ron would give the same advice, possibly along with a little reminder to use common sense and not worry so much about absolute rules in these situations..