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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by akhp77 Sat May 01, 2010 9:04 am

I mean; sentence is incomplete. It does not have verb.

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, -> Only Subject
who ..., -> non-restrictive clause
yet ... -> another clause in contrast

"who" is correctly referring to "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk" but we need to check sentence as a whole.
Where is the verb for "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk".
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by bhanupra Sat May 01, 2010 12:39 pm

Thank You akhp77 !!

akhp77 Wrote:I mean; sentence is incomplete. It does not have verb.

Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, -> Only Subject
who ..., -> non-restrictive clause
yet ... -> another clause in contrast

"who" is correctly referring to "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk" but we need to check sentence as a whole.
Where is the verb for "Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk".
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by mschwrtz Sun May 23, 2010 2:51 am

Yes, thanks akhp77. Looks all clear then.
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by aps_asks Mon May 21, 2012 12:19 pm

Hi Instructors , Can you please explain how can we eliminate choices A ) and C) ?
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by tim Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:41 pm

A violates parallelism: "both rooted ... and Duke Ellington"

C does not have an independent clause to the left of ",yet": "...Thelonius Monk, who produced a body of work..." has no actual verb attached to it.
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by jane.ni Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:45 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
keanuxie Wrote:Ron, in E, that is omitted. Is it why E is wrong?


no, "rooted in..." is a perfectly good modifier, so that part is fine.

the problem is faulty parallelism:
both
in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith
and
Duke Ellington

this is not a problem in the correct answer, since there's no "both" to lock in all of those words. in the correct answer, the parallelism is just "Willie (The Lion) Smith and Duke Ellington".


what if i use:
both
in the stride-piano tradition of Willie (The Lion) Smith
and
in that of Duke Ellington
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by tim Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:10 pm

technically parallel, although i can't recall seeing that degree of redundancy in the parallel elements of correct GMAT sentences..
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by jyothi h Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:12 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
jonathancreange Wrote:I dont understand in sentence d why we dont write :

"Jazz pianist and composer, Thelonious Monk" or " The Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk".


this is a special idiom. if you preface someone's name with a noun describing their occupation (or other word describing what that person does), WITHOUT 'A'/'AN', you DO NOT use a comma.

if there's an article, you DO use a comma.

if it's an adjective, you DO use a comma.

example:
Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
A jazz pianist and composer, Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
Creative and original, Thelonious Monk ... --> correct

because without the "," it seems strange like saying : "Writer and British Shakespeare wrote good books."


well, "writer" is a noun, and "british" is an adjective. that's nonparallel, and so is wrong no matter what country you come from.



Wow ... You have such an elegant explanation and answer for every question and concept. And it makes so much sense.
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by tim Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:04 pm

:)
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by HemalT607 Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:55 am

is there anything wrong with option B apart from the word 'both'?
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by tim Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:57 pm

Nothing grammatically wrong once you remove the "both". I would be wary of the characterization of Thelonious Monk as "THE jazz pianist and composer" though, as I happen to know that there are many jazz pianists and composers. :)
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by HemalT607 Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:00 am

Thank you :)
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by RonPurewal Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:06 am

More importantly, remember that the presence or absence of "a"/"an"/"the" is never tested on this exam.
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by ZHUJ908 Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:29 am

tim Wrote:A violates parallelism: "both rooted ... and Duke Ellington"

C does not have an independent clause to the left of ",yet": "...Thelonius Monk, who produced a body of work..." has no actual verb attached to it.


Hi, Ron

Grammatically, choice B should be writen as"both rooted in ...and in", but you did not mention why "both"should be omited meaningly. The sentence talks about where TM's work stemmed from, it is one topic, so “both” seems redundant.

Plz verify my opinion.

Thanks a lot !
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Re: S.C : Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist

by RonPurewal Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:06 am

"both rooted in... and in..." would still be non-parallel.
if "both" is followed by "rooted", then "and" MUST be followed by something parallel to "rooted".