same x as y idiom

[gter]

Ron,

Can you please explain the same x as y idiom? I have seen it in a number of questions (see below) and does not make sense to me. Especially ex. 1 below. Even though each of these sentences is correct I feel it does not make sense because sometimes a verb phrase is omitted after 'as' and hence I see an illogical comparison. (What does 'as' mean here?) Can you please advise?

1. Marketing researchers have found that, because many residents of the Southeast do not have the same ethnic heritage as
Northeasterners, the two varieties of commercially prepared coleslaw most popular in New York City and Boston are virtually ignored by consumers in Richmond and Raleigh.


2. Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.

(Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as <did> the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.)



3. St. John’s, Newfoundland, lies on the same latitude as Paris, France, but in spring St. John’s residents are less likely to be sitting at outdoor cafes than to be bracing themselves against arctic chills, shoveling snow, or seeking shelter from a raging northeast storm.

4. Trying to learn some of the basics of programming is the same as to tinker with a car when one is a teenager: some people end up going to engineering school, and others, twenty years later, remember nothing of the experience

5. According to Booker T. Whatley’s recent analysis, planting the same crops as are planted on large farms will lead to economic disaster for the small farmer, who should plan a succession of high-value crops that will provide a year-round cash flow.

6. Because new small businesses are growing and are seldom in equilibrium, formulas for cash flow and the ratio of debt to equity do not apply to them in the same way as to established big businesses

7. Galileo was convinced that natural phenomena, as manifestations of the laws of physics, would appear the same to someone on the deck of a ship moving smoothly and uniformly through the water as to a person standing on land.

8. In its most recent approach, the comet Crommelin passed the Earth at about the same distance and in about the same position, some 25 degrees above the horizon, as will Halley’s comet the next time it appears.

9. Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

[dbernst]

gter,

You are correct that the "same X as Y" idiomatic construction often creates a seemingly illogical comparison; however, the use of this construction permits one to imply rather than actually state (or restate) the verb or verb phrase (a quirk of English grammar).

For your first three example below, I have included the implied meaning of each sentence. Hope this helps.


1. Marketing researchers have found that, because many residents of the Southeast do not have the same ethnic heritage as (do) Northeasterners, the two varieties of commercially prepared coleslaw most popular in New York City and Boston are virtually ignored by consumers in Richmond and Raleigh.


2. Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as (did) the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.


3. St. John’s, Newfoundland, lies on the same latitude as (does) Paris, France, but in spring St. John’s residents are less likely to be sitting at outdoor cafes than to be bracing themselves against arctic chills, shoveling snow, or seeking shelter from a raging northeast storm.

-dan

[gter]

Dan,

You rock. Thanks much

gter

[tankobe]

gter,

You are correct that the "same X as Y" idiomatic construction often creates a seemingly illogical comparison; however, the use of this construction permits one to imply rather than actually state (or restate) the verb or verb phrase (a quirk of English grammar).

For your first three example below, I have included the implied meaning of each sentence. Hope this helps.


1. Marketing researchers have found that, because many residents of the Southeast do not have the same ethnic heritage as (do) Northeasterners, the two varieties of commercially prepared coleslaw most popular in New York City and Boston are virtually ignored by consumers in Richmond and Raleigh.


2. Pakistan, the site of an ancient civilization that flourished at the same time as (did) the civilizations in the Nile delta and the river valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates.


3. St. John’s, Newfoundland, lies on the same latitude as (does) Paris, France, but in spring St. John’s residents are less likely to be sitting at outdoor cafes than to be bracing themselves against arctic chills, shoveling snow, or seeking shelter from a raging northeast storm.

-dan

what about 5#, i think it is of a different kind.
5. According to Booker T. Whatley’s recent analysis, planting the same crops as are planted on large farms will lead to economic disaster for the small farmer, who should plan a succession of high-value crops that will provide a year-round cash flow.

is the full version planting the same crops as crops that are planted on large farms?
i am not familiar with this kind of omittion.could someone explain?

[ZHUJ908]

Hi~
A little more question: 7#, why should we use "would"here?

Please reply me, thanks a lot ~

[RonPurewal]

Hi~
A little more question: 7#, why should we use "would"here?

Please reply me, thanks a lot ~

that is addressed by point #1 here:
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... tml#p45300