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Diagram

by ManhattanPrepLSAT2 Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:51 pm

Hi everyone,

Attached you will find a diagram and potential frames for Game 3. I've also posted diagrams and frames for Games 1, 2, and 4 in other parts of the forum.

These diagrams were originally created for the Review the December 2010 LSAT Workshop. If you are a student of Manhattan LSAT, you can access a recording of that workshop.

Much of the workshop focused on the use of framing techniques to diagram games. We've attached a traditional diagram, and a potential set of frames, for each of the games from the December exam.

Keep in mind that framing, and diagramming in general, is a highly subjective exercise. No two Manhattan LSAT instructors will diagram and solve a set of four games in the same way.

We hope these diagrams will help you gain a better understanding of what frames are, and how and when they can be useful. We'd love to hear from you if you see any additional inferences, or if you've got a different diagram or set of frames that you think work equally well--or better! Also, of course, post here if you have any questions about how to solve any of the problems using these diagrams.
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Re: PT62, G3, Management Conference - Diagram

by verrapin Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:57 pm

Hi Mike. Thanks for the diagram. Two questions though.

1)On the third frame, is S not restricted to F and T restricted to H? Can there really be a dual option? The other T must come after the QT piece on G. There cannot be another QT piece of F due to rule #1.

So under what scenario can T go on F and S on H, with all other conditions true for the third frame?

2) Also, isn't there another frame like the following:

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S           Q   T
R   Q   S   T   R


I may be missing it, but I don't see this scenario covered under the three frames. But maybe it violates some rule that I missed (which wouldn't be a surprise; made a lot of stupid mistakes in this LG section overall).

edit: Oh, nevermind on my question 2 - I see it is captured in frame 2.
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Re: PT62, G3, Management Conference - Diagram

by ManhattanPrepLSAT2 Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:38 pm

You are right w/#1 -- nice inference -- thanks! -- the post has been updated with a new diagram.
 
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Re: Diagram

by fruityfatty Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:13 pm

I would add another inference to the diagram: that one empty slot must be on H, because Q and R can't be there, and S and T cannot go together.
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Re: Diagram

by ManhattanPrepLSAT2 Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:11 pm

That's a terrific inference - thank you for your insight!
 
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Re: Diagram

by NatalieC941 Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:52 pm

Is this a close grouping game?
 
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Re: Diagram

by JorieB701 Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:33 pm

I'm confused why the second R has to go to the I conference in the first frame?
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Re: Diagram

by ohthatpatrick Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:36 pm

The placement of the two R's was the whole starting point for all the frames. That's why they're shown in blue.

We are saying the 2 R's will be either
F, I
F, L
or
I, L

So you're looking at the 1st frame, where we start by assigning the 2 R's to F and I, in order to see what, if anything, might get triggered.

Putting the 2nd R in column I was an arbitrary move, from which we wrote in all the necessary implications.


That's basically the spirit behind framing: arbitrarily create 2 or 3 worlds that collectively represent all the the options for a given idea within a game (we created 3 worlds that collectively represent all the options for the 2 R's in this game).

Then see if you can deduce anything from those starting points.