Diagram

[frankchen007_86]

Hi,
Can someone provide set up for this game? Any tips are much appreciated.
Thanx

solved by myself. finally

[noah]

Sorry about the delay! The holidays shut down our brains!

Here's my diagram.

PT 34, S4, G1--Nine Supermarket Aisles--Manhattan LSAT.pdf

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I'd be interested in finding out if you had something very different. I found it tough to easily show that the L after the MKM - O string could be an L in last place, but didn't have to be.

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

Reposted from walkerdoreen07
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Hello,

I had some problems getting started with the rules of this game. i printed out the info on the forum. I got confused with rule 5 rule 7.

I did M..K...M and KOL (at least one)

I'm thinking I should have combined the two rules? I think that's why I got stuck on Q2 and Q3.

Questions llike these(q2/q3/q4), should you skim though answers and then cross out similarities or do trial error. Im having problem to know what approach to do FIRST.

Q4 is also the same, what do you do first. write out diagram first? or cross out the similarities of the answers to narrow down answers. Hope I made sense.

The diagram on forum did make things alittle clearer.

Doreen

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

The diagram posted earlier works well for this game (Thanks Noah!) and I think the confusion you're finding is a result of a misunderstanding in what the rules imply.

So let's take a look at rules 5 and 7, because I'm sure that's where the confusion occurred.

Rule 5 establishes that there is a MKM chunk somewhere on the number line.

Rule 7 establishes that both of K's precede the only O, and the only O precedes at least one L.

K...K -- O -- L

The combination of rules 5 and 7 yields the following

MKM -- O -- L

which is very limited on the number. Try answering questions 2, 3, and 4 with the following three frames! I think you'll find this game much easier...

_ K M K M _ _ _ _
_ K _ M K M _ _ _
J K _ _ M K M O L
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
_____|

Keep in mind that only J's and L's can be assigned in positions 1-4 and 9 that are still open.

[gethornburg]

I believe this template set is complete ...

Q. 1-6
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
L K M K M (J O) L J
L/J K J/L M K M O L/J J/L (no JJ)
J K (J L) M K M O L

Q.7
L K M K M J O J L
L K J M K M (J O) L

[ManhattanPrepLSAT1]

Pretty close but you missed one.

L/J K J/L M K M J/L O L/J

I've attached a setup that includes the constraints and inferences that can be made using a three frame setup!

[jyup1982]

one more question
i am wondering if the phrase 'either' can be interpreted as 'both' in Rule7. is it the same? thank you

[noah]

one more question
i am wondering if the phrase 'either' can be interpreted as 'both' in Rule7. is it the same? thank you

Yup!

Though, just to be clear, "either" doesn't always mean "both" - like in the statement "John will either swim or fly" the LSAT is saying it could be swimming, flying, or both. And, to go a bit further on this topic, if the LSAT wants to take both off the table in this example, you'd see "John will either swim or fly, but not both."

There's more than you asked for!

[Nina]

i'm still a little bit confused about rule 7. i know the "either" can be interpreted as "both" here, but can it also be interpreted as "only one of the two Ks"? and when i did this Game, i had this rule diagramed as
K-O-K (ignoring the O-L part)

how do we know that here the "either" means "both"?

thanks a lot!

[aprilhu33]

I actually want clarification on what "either" means and why in this case it means both but in another case it could mean either one but not both. Can someone please explain how we would differentiate between the two meanings of "either" please? Thanks!

[noah]

i'm still a little bit confused about rule 7. i know the "either" can be interpreted as "both" here, but can it also be interpreted as "only one of the two Ks"? and when i did this Game, i had this rule diagramed as
K-O-K (ignoring the O-L part)

how do we know that here the "either" means "both"?

thanks a lot!

I actually want clarification on what "either" means and why in this case it means both but in another case it could mean either one but not both. Can someone please explain how we would differentiate between the two meanings of "either" please? Thanks!

That is tricky!

Usually, we see "either" used like this: "If F is in, either J or K is out."

In this case, we'd need to see "but not both" tacked on to the end or else we have to interpret it as J or K or both.

Sometimes we'll see "either" used as we're seeing it here, which is similar to its use here: I'm not going to take either of your suggestions."

So, amazingly, "either" can mean both or "one or the other." It definitely depends on whether you see an "or" later on. "Either...or" means one or the other, while "either" on its own is used as "both"