Q16

[CourtneyH949]

Would frames be helpful for this question? How can you determine whether frames are helpful for an open grouping game?

[dmitry]

The main consideration for framing is whether we have a clear divide with notable consequences. In other words, what rule or division would we frame? In this game, we only have three rules. The first one allows us to infer that Y only has one element. The second gives us a couple of anti-chunks, but no clear setup for a frame. (Does the forge occur with another property? By itself? Who owns it? Lots of possibilities.) The third rule does give us a three-way split: sT only, iY only, or both sT and iY. But if we try writing out those three frames, what else do we know? Not much. We know i and f aren't together, but Y only has one spot anyway, so if the Yandells have the inn, we can't infer anything further. It looks like frames are a no-go.

Turning to #16, we are given a condition that activates a rule: if m is in Y, then i is not, so the Trents must own the stable. That gives us this:

s m
T W Y

We know i and f can't be together, so we have to split them across T and W. This is very common in grouping games.

i/f
s i/f m
T W Y

Since we know W has at least 2 spots, we need to fill in the remaining item, the granary, there.

i/f g
s i/f m
T W Y

[TabiD336]

can someone please explain how we get to -If M is in Y, then I is not?

[Misti Duvall]

can someone please explain how we get to -If M is in Y, then I is not?

Sure! The problem with putting I in Y for this question is the first rule. According to the first rule, W must have more than Y. But if we put both M and I in Y, that means W would have to have three in order to have more. Which would mean T would have none, and the setup states that each group has to have at least one.