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Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by tamwaiman Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:29 am

I want to make sure why (A) is incorrect.

(1) Because the author focuses on the character of politically progressiveness rather than the feminist.
(2) Because even if someone is politically conservative, he/she does not need to perform a politically conservative act.

I choose (2).


noah Wrote:
tamwaiman Wrote:(2) Because even if someone is politically conservative, he/she does not need to perform a politically conservative act.

I think you mean "because even is someone is NOT politically conservative, he/she CAN perform a politically conservative act."


Yes, thank you for explaining and correcting.
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by noah Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:02 pm

The conclusion of this argument is that it's not true that a poet writing formal poetry constitutes a politically-conservative act. Why not? The support is--allegedly!--an example of someone writing formal poetry but not doing a politically conservative act.

However, the premise is a bit different than that: it states that politically progressive poets write formal poetry.

The gap is that we don't learn that those poets didn't perform a politically conservative act. Sure, they're progressive, but couldn't they do something politically conservative once in a while?

(C) fills this gap: if your're progressive, you never perform a conservative act. Voila!

As for the wrong answers:

(A) tells us that if you're feminist, you're not conservative, but we already knew that Ms. Peacock and Ms. Hacker were not conservative - we're told they're "progressive." We still don't know whey their progressive nature allows us to assume they didn't perform a politically conservative act.

(B) is out of scope - we care about poets who are writing rhymed and metered poetry (and specifically, Ms. Peacock and Ms. Hacker!).

(D) splits the world into poets that write conservative poetry and those that write not-conservative poetry. According to (D), there's no fraternizing with the other side. Who cares, though? We want to know if the example given disproves the point made. And, (C) is out of scope because the argument isn't about conservative poetry, but about formal poetry being a conservative act.

(E) is out of scope - we don't care about political consequences of a work. We care about the implications of a work - does it constitute a politically conservative act? Plus, we don't care what the most decisive factor is in determining anything; it's whether the factor at hand is decisive.
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that any contemporary poe

by noah Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:04 pm

tamwaiman Wrote:(2) Because even if someone is politically conservative, he/she does not need to perform a politically conservative act.

I think you mean "because even is someone is NOT politically conservative, he/she CAN perform a politically conservative act."
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by a3friedm Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:01 pm

FP → PrgF
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FP → ~CA

Missing Premise
PrgF → ~CA

Correct Answer Choice:
Prgf → ~CA
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by noah Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:44 pm

a3friedm Wrote:FP → PrgF
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FP → ~CA

Missing Premise
PrgF → ~CA

Correct Answer Choice:
(C) Prgf → ~CA


We're not actually trying to conclude FP --> ~ CA, we're tying to conclude that it's not true that FP --> CA. Which means we're trying to conclude that you can have FP and ~ CA together. To think it's concluding that FP must go to ~ CA is stronger than needed.

(I edited out your quote of the answer, BTW -- I wouldn't want LSAC to be mad at you!)
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by WaltGrace1983 Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:03 pm

This one looks daunting but I think this is a time when avoiding formal logic may be beneficial for speed. Here is what is going on...

Some people say that a poet who writes formal poetry is performing a "politically conservative" act
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MP and MH had poetry that was "almost exclusively" formal yet they are "politically progressive" (apparently the opposite of politically conservation)

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Formal poetry is NOT a politically conservative act.

So let's break down what is going on here. Some critics are saying, "hey! all formal poetry is politically conservative!" Yet the author says, "no way! look at these two poets! they are writing formal poetry but they themselves are politically progressive!" Did you see what just happened there? The author's argument has a big flaw! Who is to say that, just because someone is deemed "politically progressive," it therefore means that they never ever in a million years would commit an act that is politically conservative? The author is talking about the overall "nature" of a person and using that to prove something about the acts that they commit. I can be a hardcore democrat but still believe in something that is republican, right? Yes, yes i can.

Therefore, I am looking for something that would say that there is no way you can be politically progressive and commit acts that are politically conservative. If I find this, that would prove the author's argument absolutely true! Why?

1. We have already established that the poets are politically progressive.
2. We have already established that these poets write formal poetry.

If we have established these two things and we ALSO say that if one is politically progressive then one cannot commit conservative acts, then formal poetry cannot be conservative!


(A) This is saying: Feminist --> ~Politically conservative. Well this seems to adhere to what the argument is saying. After all, the poets are both feminists and they both are not politically conservative. However, does this prove the conclusion 100% true? No it doesn't. We need something about the politically conservative ACTS.

(B) This is saying: ~Formal --> ~Politically conservative. In other words, if you are politically conservative then you write formal poetry. Well yea, this may be true too. However, this says nothing that bears relation to our argument! The poets are NOT politically conservative! Also we don't care about what those conservatives do! We need to know something about those progressivists!

(D) This is basically saying that if one writes poetry that is progressive then one never writes poetry that is conservative. That's awesome yet not awesome enough. This, once again, doesn't give us anything! We don't know if the poetry they are writing is progressive or not! That is what we are trying to prove. This is basically just a bunch of vague nonsense. In reality, this is a vague enough answer that I will keep it. I probably won't have enough time to figure out exactly what the implications of this answer choice is for our argument but I wouldn't give it too much more though once I find the answer I pre-phrased in my head.

(E) We don't need to know what the most "decisive" factor is! Political consequences? Where did that come from?

(C) is perfect! (C) is saying: Politically progressive --> ~perform politically conservative acts. This justifies the authors conclusion totally. We have these two poets who are politically progressive in nature. Thus, they cannot perform politically conservative acts. THUS, the acts that they are already performing (aka the "formal" style of poetry) are NOT politically conservative. Bingo.
 
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by ganbayou Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:04 pm

So..just wanted to double check, being concervative and performing conservative act are 2 different things, correct? I thought they can be the same because if they are conservative, they would perform conservative act/act conservatively, but maybe this is making assumption and thus wrong?
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Re: Q19 - Several critics have claimed that

by tommywallach Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:14 pm

They are not the same thing. You can be a jerk and do nice things. Or be a nice person and not do nice things. Etc.

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