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India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by eggpain24 Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:09 pm

India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine: Indian food comprises many different styles of cooking, with each a product of their regional influences, from the fiery vegetarian dishes of the south to the Portuguese-influenced Goan cooking of the west, to the more familiar Mogul food of the north.

a) with each a product of their
b) with each as a product of its
c) each products of their
d) each a product of
e) each products of

OA is D

Please correct me if wrong

I think the main problem in choice C and E

C:"each" represents "singular", so it is in conflict with "products".
also, "their" has no clear antecedent

E:"each" represents "singular", so it is in conflict with "products".
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:17 am

Essentially correct, yes.

The pronoun problem is worse than you might think. E.g., even if the problem said "... each a product of its regional influences", it would still be wrong.

"Regional influences" are vague forces—basically, like the culinary culture of an entire geographical area. These forces don't emanate from, or belong to, any particular person or thing, so it's impossible for any construction of the form "its/their/____'s influences" to make sense here.
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by eggpain24 Sat Aug 23, 2014 1:16 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:Essentially correct, yes.

The pronoun problem is worse than you might think. E.g., even if the problem said "... each a product of its regional influences", it would still be wrong.

"Regional influences" are vague forces—basically, like the culinary culture of an entire geographical area. These forces don't emanate from, or belong to, any particular person or thing, so it's impossible for any construction of the form "its/their/____'s influences" to make sense here.


got it~

Thank you,Ron

can you also tell me more about the usage of “with” here

I am not sure whether the usage of “with” is problematic here because “with” can be construed as modifying “ styles of cooking”(serve as noun modifier)
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by xiaolanjingheleaf Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:52 pm

Ron,what's wrong with "with" in choice A&B?

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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by JaneC643 Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:49 pm

Hi, Ron

Can i say "each of which is a product of regional influences"
or
"each is a product of regional influences"
or
"each of them is a product of regional influences"
or
"all products of regional influences"?

Thanks,
Jane
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:25 am

eggpain24 Wrote:can you also tell me more about the usage of “with” here

I am not sure whether the usage of “with” is problematic here because “with” can be construed as modifying “ styles of cooking”(serve as noun modifier)


this is the problem. if "with ____" is modifying xxxxx, then it should be describing some aspect, or sub-component, of xxxxx.

here, "each" = each style of cooking.
we can't use "with each style of cooking..." to describe "styles of cooking".
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:29 am

Can i say "each of which is a product of regional influences"
or
"each is a product of regional influences"
or
"each of them is a product of regional influences"
or
"all products of regional influences"?


#2 and #3 are already complete sentences.
thus, either #2 or #3 will give (complete sentence) + comma + (another complete sentence)——i.e., a run-on. so, those are wrong.

#1 and #4 are fine.
they won't write something as wordy as #1 (since there are much more compact alternatives, e.g., the correct answer).
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by JaneC643 Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:57 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:
Can i say "each of which is a product of regional influences"
or
"each is a product of regional influences"
or
"each of them is a product of regional influences"
or
"all products of regional influences"?


#2 and #3 are already complete sentences.
thus, either #2 or #3 will give (complete sentence) + comma + (another complete sentence)——i.e., a run-on. so, those are wrong.

#1 and #4 are fine.
they won't write something as wordy as #1 (since there are much more compact alternatives, e.g., the correct answer).


Hi, Ron
1. Can I change #2 and #3 to:
#2 "and each is a product of regional influences" ?
#3 "and each of them is a product of regional influences" ?
I use "and" to connect two independent clause to avoid run-on issue.

2. Can I also say "each of them a product of regional influences"?
or " all of them products of regional influences"?

Thanks, Ron. You help me a lot on sc probelms. I really appreciate!
Jane
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:22 am

JaneC643 Wrote:1. Can I change #2 and #3 to:
#2 "and each is a product of regional influences" ?
#3 "and each of them is a product of regional influences" ?
I use "and" to connect two independent clause to avoid run-on issue.


"and" isn't appropriate here. by connecting two statements with "and", we're usually implying that they are two separate, independent ideas.

e.g.,
There was more traffic than usual today, and I was late to work.
––> this sentence means, essentially, "here are 2 bad things that happened today." it does NOT imply that i was late because of the traffic.

here, the second part is a description of the first part, so, "and" = bad.
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:25 am

2. Can I also say "each of them a product of regional influences"?
or " all of them products of regional influences"?

Thanks, Ron. You help me a lot on sc probelms. I really appreciate!
Jane


these are exactly the kinds of things you'll never see on the gmat.
i.e., they're not technically wrong, but they're bad writing—they're excessively wordy.
in addition to valid mechanics and a sensible meaning, GMAC's correct answers also have good style and efficient phrasing (even though neither of these is tested).

if you see either of these things in a correct answer, they won't have "of them". you'll just see "each a product..." or "all products...".
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:27 am

nb:
the above is a great example of why it's a bad idea to "edit" the official problems.

almost every time, this kind of "editing" produces writing that's bad for reasons that aren't tested on this exam. so, we're forced into an awkward position: "no, that's bad, but you don't have to know why."

it's best to stick with what is actually in the problems.
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by harika.apu Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:03 am

RonPurewal Wrote:nb:
the above is a great example of why it's a bad idea to "edit" the official problems.

almost every time, this kind of "editing" produces writing that's bad for reasons that aren't tested on this exam. so, we're forced into an awkward position: "no, that's bad, but you don't have to know why."

it's best to stick with what is actually in the problems.


Hello Ron ,
Does the part "from the fiery dishes......" modify "each a product of regional influences" ?

Thanks:)
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:03 am

in context it should be clear that "from yyyyy to zzzzz" is a description of "many different styles of cooking".

"each xxxxx" is ALSO a description of "many different styles of cooking". so, one of them has to go first, and the other has to go second.
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by RonPurewal Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:03 am

...but now i'm curious about the text you quoted.
i assume you had some good reason for quoting that text, but i can't see any relationship to your question. could you please clarify?
thanks.
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Re: India, like Italy and China, has no single dominant cuisine:

by harika.apu Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:45 pm

RonPurewal Wrote:...but now i'm curious about the text you quoted.
i assume you had some good reason for quoting that text, but i can't see any relationship to your question. could you please clarify?
thanks.



Yes Ron.you are right.
"Regional influences" - this one drew me into thinking that way.
May be i was wrong .

Thanks :)